Hypnotist Krystyna Lennon – Live Interview

Hypnotist Krystyna Lennon Talks about her journey performing hypnosis on Tv shows all over the world, what happened when her “Hypno dog” bit James Corden, and the “incident” with Simon Cowell.

Hypnotist Krystyna Lennon

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Hypnotist Krystyna Lennon – Hypno dog

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Speaker 01 00:06

Hypnotist Krystyna Lennon. Good evening, welcome to another episode of the start calling them episodes. Now to make them sound more professional, another episode of Grant talks one of its this week, I can assure you that our guest is here. She’s in the green room, she’s ready and raring to go. So that is a lot of pressure of me this week. One of the things I was going to bring up is it’s about within the hypnosis community, there’s a big movement about being unique. And a lot of people rely on that reference and they think that their uniqueness is going to get them through hard times. Because you know, if they’re standouts, they’re the fastest, they’re the quickest, they’re the world’s greatest etc, etc. They’re going to get them to, and to be fair, the reality is when you think about it being unique is not what’s going to get you those bookings. It’s about being compelling because your competition isn’t another hypnotist, isn’t someone that’s fast or slow or anything else like your competition when a Booker is looking at booking something, your competition is a band, comedian or any of the different types of entertainment and especially coming through these new times we’re going through that’s going to be very unusual field. Now I want to say about being unique, and there’s not that many hypnotists that do step aside from other people. So tonight’s guest has some great stories has a great story about how she ended up on stage and what to give her best introduction. I’m going to play you a small section of our show, I can’t play all because there’s so many TV accolades on there. The whole show will be taken up by how much TV that this lady has had. So I’m going to play that now. [foreign language 01:41 – 29] So there you go, guys. Now I don’t think you can find many stage hypnotist or performance hypnotist or entertainers that have had that much TV in such a short space of time. So without further ado, please tap your keyboards make lots of noise and welcome to the Grand talks. Funny mix show for Krystyna Lennon. 

Krystyna 02:54

Hello. Hi.

Speaker 01 02:57

How are you?

Krystyna 02:58

I am fine, really good. I’ve got my drinks. [crosstalk] I need it.

Speaker 01 03:06

No, it’s not even normal sparkling water. So for those guys that don’t know who you are? To be fair with in this community, everybody should know who you are. But we do have other people that are non-hypnotist that are watching. Correct me if I’m wrong on some of this stuff, but I mean you started off predominately as a psychotherapist, hypnotherapist that kind of developed a mindset technique that you chose to use on yourself and decided to do some stage stuff and then took over the world performing hypnotist. I know loads of guys and we are terrible like stage hypnotist and the richest people in the world and guys we’ve been doing this for — I’ve been doing these 15 years. And you know I’ve done this and I’ve done that and I’ve done the other and then like bomb Krystyna Lennon hypno dog took over the world TV [inaudible 04:00] I know. I smashed it. You know you’ve done really well.

Krystyna 04:04

I think it’s made me the most hated hypnotist.

Speaker 01 04:11

Well, I don’t know there’s a couple that I can think of going for that. But yeah, it’s because we’re such a close knit community. And that’s why I was saying about being unique. A lot of stage hypnotists especially those middle aged old guys that have been performing for years and I might try those pictures taken sleazing over young girls really knows this stuff. In the early days, I did it myself, but I hate it so much that kind of image that we have, which is what was so refreshing about what you did and how you portray because, again, we had Antony Gailey on the show a couple of weeks ago, and that’s very much a route that you’re going down now as well.

Krystyna 04:54

Yes, definitely. Yeah. Because I mean, state was never something I want to get into per se it’s not something of — You know, I hear people that like, Oh, I always wait to be a stage hypnotist stuff. It’s never anything that I aspired to be. It was — As you say, I decided I was terrified of speaking publicly; terrified of speaking on a mic. So I thought, how can I challenge that? So the easiest way and to launch myself hypnotherapy career because it took a full time instead of doing it on the side, about right I’m going to do a stage hypnosis show. How hard can it be? And it’s easy. Now, if I learned. So it made me 10 times better therapist doing the stature of 100%. Like,

Speaker 01 05:46

This of the walls, it’s changing. And for a while there was a big divide between hypnotherapist and stage hypnotist and stage hypnotist are the one that abused all this stuff and make it look terrible. And hypnotherapist didn’t like that. If you know what I mean,

Krystyna 06:03

To be in some of the associations connected with therapy because I do stage hypnosis.

Speaker 01 06:11

Yeah. Which is bizarre, but I get it as well. Because again, especially in the UK, we did have quite a lot of guys, in lieu of being entertaining was shocking, to try and get bookings. And you know, I turn up at some venues now. And they go oh, yeah, we’ve I didn’t exist before. And they made them do this. And I’m like, well, we won’t be doing that tonight. So tell me about your first show because this is a moment where you learn it. You read the books, you do the courses, you understand it, especially from a therapist point of view as well. And then there’s that moment when you walk out on stage. And it’s just, you know, — Tell me about that.

Krystyna 06:49

I’ve never read a book on stage hypnosis for a start. Hugh Lennon, he had a show that was amazing. And he was one of the biggest hypnotists of his time, I literally got a recording of his show, and sit with a pen and paper and wrote down every word he said and copied it word for word. And he came to my first stage show. I think was [laughter] and first of all, not many people turned up, there was about 45 people in the audience. No, there wasn’t. There was less than that, I think was about 30. So I thought as soon as I get 15 people up, I’m going to be left with 15 people in the audience. And I came on to her. Like, oh, shit, I was terrible. And he was doing a sound. He hadn’t done it for a while. 

So we put the induction music on and — first of all, I was in the wings with my head in between my knees going, I’m going to pass out, I’m going to pass out. And he introduced me. So I was like, shit, right? Got to walk out. I’ve got dime on T-Mike and I shook that much that it smacked on the top. I was just an absolute wreck. I did absolutely everything wrong. And as I say, he did loads of stuff wrong as well.  He put the induction on and went straight into the sergeant major music while I [inaudible 08:20] in them, it was like, oh my god. 

So they also jumped up in the middle of it. It was awful. And then the first they sort of were moving a bit. And then the first bit where I opened their eyes, and was getting them to do something. And I’m always to this day, I am nervous about this puppet show [phonetic 08:38]. They open their eyes. And I was like, right, I want you to count to number 10. And number seven will not exist. And they all just went 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. And I was like, shit. Now what do I do? So put them back on again. Suggestion again, [inaudible 08:53], same again. And it was like, after about five very painful minutes of me giving them a suggestion. And then not responding to anything. I just said, I’m sorry, there appears to be a technical problem and left. That was it, walked offstage. And the thing was, I had six shows booked. If I didn’t, I would have never ever done that again, because it was the most painful, horrific thing I’ve ever done. I’ve never had to show that bad again.

Hypnotist Krystyna Lennon
Hypnotist Krystyna Lennon

Speaker 01 09:26

I think that’s the thing as well. I think, the people that get into this as a hobby, as a job, as a career, for whatever craziness they do that. Those that do that first show with all the family and friends with loads of support and a massive audience. And it goes down really well. Those are the ones that find that don’t stick because you build up this; Oh, this is really good. This is easy. And then you know four or five shows down the wall. Something just puts you on your ass and you’re like oh my goodness me. I talked to a — Someone says we’re both looking and sounding great. So that [laughter] you aren’t the most fabulous hypnotist. I know. Some times when you’ve done a show, and it’s not been what you want to be, and you’ve got a four-hour drive home, you know, it plays with your head. So those that start with all this — This could be the worst thing in the world. It kind of builds that thick skin and you learn that, if you can get through that, then you can do anything.

Krystyna 10:28

Yeah. And then you add to that train, hypnotize people in a different language, in a different country, he’s a dog, it just adds so many layers to it, that now just people in my office, it’s like, Dude, this is easy compared to what I’ve done.

Speaker 01 10:47

Exactly. And it’s one of those things as well that I believe that stage hypnosis or performance hypnosis, putting it out there is the one of the greatest ways to advertise your therapy business. It is no better showcase than doing the silly things on stage on television, and people going wild. And there’s no better signal of authority than doing loads of TV. So I could imagine everything you’ve done, does your therapy practice the absolute Word of God?

Krystyna 11:11

To be honest, I was speaking to somebody about this today, I have had a grand total [phonetic 11:16] of do people come to me because they see me on TV. And I’ve done 44 TV shows to over 100 million people. And I’ve got two kinds.

Speaker 01 11:25

I think it’s in direct, as well. Somebody got your website, your social media and then sees your list of TV. You’re the expert. The choice is in the Leeds area of Yorkshire, which is essentially the universe unless my sister is watching then. You know, there is other hypnotherapists out there with far few that have got those kind of accolades as well. So it would be remiss of me not to mention Britain’s Got Talent, I’m sure you are sick to death of being asked about Britain’s Got Talent, but from a hypnotist point of view. I know every year whilst it was going on, there was always a phone call or an email from someone kind of asking hypnotists to go on. And then from a few years both myself and a few of them all kind of gone. No, because they’re just going to make us look terrible. And it’s not that difficult to make me look terrible. That’s my fear because there’s so much reputation for middle aged hypnotist and young — and it looks tacky. It’s easy to make it look that way. 

So I’ve always shied away from it. And then then I heard that there was a hypnotist going on. I was like, Well, I’m going to watch this and see what they do, and then you came out and it was like, wow, that’s really good. And it was delivered in a really clever way, I thought. I knew of Hugh from years ago. And when I saw the name, I was like what it was.

Krystyna 13:00

Yeah, it’s funny, because after I’ve done the terrible show, Britain’s Got Talent got in contact with me. Oh, no, sorry. It was a show after that. They got in contact me and said, would you come on Britain’s Got Talent? And I said, Absolutely not. Because I’m not actually hypnotize anyone properly before that. It hadn’t worked. Yeah. So it was like, no way. And then they start coming back to me saying we’ll give you a dressing room. We’ll give you this that the other? Oh, yeah, she is so cute. And they started offering me different things. And it was like, right, either, I take the opportunity or a [inaudible 13:41] that you know, it was the beginning of my career and I didn’t really care whether the meant me look an idiot as much because it’s not — it wasn’t a profession that wanted to get into. So I just thought Oh, I’m a yes person. I’ll make it work. Do you know I mean, and I think because I was a bit Deaver ish and made demands, then it kind of went my way but having a dog. I think they saw the power of how big they could make it and how much publicity they could get from that, and I think that’s the only TV show that’s really cashed in on that. I think all of others have hit the mark of missed mark. Not used the dog bit as much of the shirt at all.

Speaker 01 14:29

So now we’re talking serious hypnosis stuff. Ileana Jennings wants to know if princess wants to [inaudible 14:34] boyfriend. [laughter] know about a serious hypnosis discussion. Now it’s about the dog.

Krystyna 14:42

She always upstages me what I do. Yeah, she upstages me all the time.

Speaker 01 14:47

I train my cats to sit still. And so maybe we could do like [laughter] But the cats are just not interested. I think it is quite interesting. After the show aired and did really well, there was quite a lot of American guys that all of a sudden were training their dogs to be hypno dogs and they will try to push that hypno dog thing.

Krystyna 15:10

It’s a USP, and anybody that now comes along with a dog that tries the hypno dog thing looks like a cheap [inaudible 15:20] copy because anybody searches hypno dogs, I know it’s knit me and my dog. So anybody copy in that now just looks like, it’s been done. No one else can do that.

Speaker 01 15:31

That’s what it’s about stage hypnosis, performance hypnosis, especially, is about — Yes, a lot of it is about you and putting your personality into it. But it is finding something that is so unique, that it cuts through everything else. And a lot of guys and you know, a lot of hypnotists believe that what they do is unique and special because they do this and they touch them and they do this and they say this language pattern. That’s called the blah, blah, blah protocol and it’s so unique. [crosstalk] but the general public they don’t care about that. What they care about is like oh my God, this dog just hypnotizes Simon Cowell.

Krystyna 16:06

Yeah. Can you imagine doing that in your first week of work? [crosstalk]

Speaker 01 16:14

I panic sometimes it shows when something happened that I think what about that cuz that’s because they misconstrue that because they think it’s good to think that. I would die 100 deaths. If someone came backstage to me, and when Simon Cowell’s just popped out. I’d be in the car, I’d be gone. Yeah, my name is somebody else.

Hypnotist Krystyna Lennon 16:37

It was just oh my god, cuz I’d literally done the thing. And obviously, you give people suggestion on stage. Before the leave stage. When you’re a professional and you remember what you’re supposed to do like I am now you remove suggestion before they wander off into the general public. But because I was such a rookie, it was like my third performance. I forgot to remove suggestion. So the first three people next to Ant and Dec believe that Ant and Dec were naked. So you didn’t see that but when they went backstage, so I’m on stage, I’m getting judged and everything and it’s all going well. Go off stage — Simon Cowell’s comes up on stage as well, that was a disaster because I thought it was going to be David Williams. I will be David Williams. Don’t worry, Simon Cowell never get up and he gets up. It’s like shit. That was awful for stars. And it didn’t work. 

So I was like, Oh, god, I’m going to be tall a new one but yeah, when I get [inaudible 17:39] and then I go backstage and my manager comes around and he goes. All the people that you hypnotized have literally been like wanting to fight on deck. And I was like, what it was like he didn’t really suggestion. So they’ve been saying, you shouldn’t be out here naked. This is disgusting. My kids watch his program. So I’ve called this mass Riot backstairs. Oh, shit.  So I was running then to remove suggestion because you could still hear them shouting in the corridor. And that were being held by a security man. As I’m going to do that this woman comes out and she goes, I need you back on stage. And I was like, right. Simon Cowell collapse. I was just like, foo. It’s like, when I first thought about it, what could possibly go wrong? It was like, I never dreamed it would be this. And I was like, Oh shit. And then she was like, get your dog. I was like, Okay and went out and there he was like [inaudible 18:41] desk and everything. And obviously that then it was leaked, apparently. And then it went viral. And I think I got the most press out there any act that’s ever been on the show. And it was the most viewed act. I think it beat the standards live that year. It was like the most viewed show ever. I wish I would have got some commission but yeah, it was a disaster. And it was a long day, but it was ended up being fun.

Speaker 01 19:20

Yeah, and it’s great. Great PR for the show and feel for you as an artist as well. I mean, I remember seeing in all the papers and part of it was kind of thinking oh my god, is this the death of stage hypnosis. When it literally like you know, I’m going to be honest, my phone was ringing [crosstalk 19:46] because it’s still out there in a fairly positive way. If it had been a middle aged hypnotist sleazing over a 21-year-old girl, it always seems to be put across. It looks tacky and terrible. But stage hypnosis in a positive way, as long as nobody dies, everybody does really good. So Afterwards, he kind of took over the world then and is your official title the world — it pains me to say it. Official title is the World’s Greatest Hypnotist, best the world’s best asset. Which, which again, you cannot you cannot eat You know, when you when you’re not sure that’s a fantastic international accolade as well. Yeah,

Krystyna 20:30

I mean, I was asked to do America’s Got Talent, and best the same year. And I’ve kind of decided I wasn’t going to do any more shows or anything with the dog, or anyone shows at all. But an Ngt came along and I kind of owned an art and said no, but then when the world’s best It was like, Oh, you know, anything? — My son lives in LA. And I haven’t been over there to see him. So far, It kind of like I’ll be able to go to LA spend like a month in LA see my son, and get that title. So I thought yeah, let’s go out on that on but did then sneak into TV shows after that, because

Speaker 01 21:15

As you said the money is not too terrible. I can imagine.

Krystyna 21:20

Well, I don’t know. Sometimes it’s better than it is, but not always. 

Speaker 01 21:25

Yeah. So Simon Cowell collaps in that scary moment. That must have been a scary moment. James Corden. 

Krystyna 21:32

Yeah, he got bitten. And that wasn’t great. He got bitten after the show. I did the world’s best. And he came to interview me. And they all do is like, I’m going to be interviewing you. And he sat on the surf and he was like, I’m going to be interviewing you. And then I’m going to look at the dog and I’m just going to fall asleep. So I was like, Okay, I imagined, what’s that like that, but he would look at the dog and then fall backwards. But what he did was he felt — the dogs here and right next to me. He felt on me. So inaudible 22:10], obviously, somebody is attacking me. So she just launch his firm and bite him. So the whole scene got caught because literally like the cameras were all going like this. They were all absolutely pissing themselves laughing at what happened. And he stormed off in such a hole. He didn’t come back. He didn’t redo it or anything that was it.

Speaker 01 22:37

It doesn’t look like he could be a bit of a diva, or just a couple of roles as well. Jason says, Good evening, and Jonathan Grice, who’s a pollutant mentalist, actually, I’ve not seen for a very long time, says hi. So yeah, we’ve got a Scott Fletcher who’s in a band. I think when we’re talking about bad gigs, he had a pub gigs straight after a week, and they all cried all the way through. About a few gigs like that as well.

Krystyna 23:02

It was funny, I did a TV show in China. And part of the –something my induction is you’re feeling thirsty, have a drink, you feel a bit tipsy. All the sudden they all say to go pale, paler, and they’re going to throw what pops out and I was like, I had to turn to Me interpret and I was like, and she was like, they don’t feel well. So it was a cultural thing. They don’t drink that much. So they just interpreted what I said and started to feel sick. So it was tough to turn that around. My God, yet as disasters go, I think one of the funniest disasters — I think my funny bits are more disasters than they are actual

Speaker 01 23:56

Whenever I meet other hypnotist, especially stage guys or guys that are new to it and kind of wanting some consultation stuff and moving forward a little bit. I always talk about all the stuff that’s gone wrong the path pulled down on stage, because because that’s where you learn and that’s where the fun is. I’ve met a couple of hypnotists and they’re all the same. I’ve never had a bad show, never had a bad show. Well, you’re either not working enough or full of shit. You know, I mean

Krystyna 24:22

90% remind a bad show. But that’s what makes them funny. Yeah, one of the most memorable Oh my God, I was doing Germany’s Got Talent. And we were discussing like, should I go on with the dog or do the same as Britain’s Got Talent where I go on be the hypnotist and then go, Oh, I need my assistant kind of thing. And again, changing the mind. So one minute The dog was backstage and she was with me. And then all of a sudden they’re like no go on on your own. So I run backstage and I have David with me met David. And I literally gave him the dog. He had my handbag and backstage It was a TV screen of what’s going on. So I always that recording so I can then watch it before it goes on TV. And he stood there with my handbag, the dog and he’s filming. So I’m stood waiting to go on. — Sorry, I go on stage and I asked for my volunteers. But because they’re all German, the person backstage was stuff that was looking for the dog. So you just push David on stage. So I stood there, waiting for volunteers to come up who’d gone missing anyway. And I just send somebody stood behind me. And I turn around and David’s there with my handbag, the dog, and my phone. And I just like what the fuck are you doing here. And he just like how sweet the dog — walks back off. It was like, oh my god. So yeah, that was pretty funny.

Speaker 01 25:52

Yeah. Vicki Barry just asked, Can we hypnotize anybody? Now, in my mind — and is one of the most common questions we probably get asked is this. I’ll say in a stage point of view, everybody can be hypnotized. I think there’s 5% of the population or someone will correct me on the numbers. No doubt. There’s a small percentage of the population that can’t be hypnotized. But everybody can be hypnotized. However, I can’t hypnotize everybody.

Hypnotist Krystyna Lennon 26:22

Why I would say is I got 15 people up, and I’m looking for the quickest people. Because I don’t want to spend in a hypnotherapy session, I might have half an hour to work with an awkward person, I’m not going to do that on stage because it bothered me. So if I’m working for five minutes, and I’ve got five great people, I’ll send the rest back. I’ll also send you back if you’re boring, or rude, or do you don’t mean. I’m looking for the five funniest people to keep up that go the deepest anyone else it is surplus to requirements, they’re just [inaudible 26:54]

Speaker 01 26:55

There’s a lot of ego, as you know, we’ve in our industry, and a lot of it is about, this is the speed I get them done, and this is my ratio of people that came up versus those that came up. When you’re a performance hypnotist, it’s not about the hypnosis. It’s about the audience, whether on television, or in the theater or in the pub, it’s about that audience being entertained. That’s the most important thing.

Krystyna 27:22

I always say, the more you drink the funnier it will be [phonetic 27:25]. But yeah, my character is a bit Lexi Daisy, I’m clumsy, I do things wrong. And I just have to work that into my act a lot of the time.  I’ve the stuff I’ve said and done on stage. I’m like, Oh, shit, we just have to make a joke of it. Because, you know, just..

Speaker 01 27:52

That’s the good thing about what we do is very much about. Y your stage persona is an extension of yourself to some extent. And too many people try to be too perfect on stage. And it has a negative effect on the show is someone trying to be a BBC, one world news presenter when they just need to be who they are. So we’re going to show your clip in a moment. Great clip as well I want to look at it’s one of my favorites and what I’ll do is I’ll put you in the bottom of the screen and have that on and if there’s any bits you want to explain or talk to people whilst it’s going ahead by all means do that. And then after that, we’re going to kind of pick you up on a couple of books but you know what it’s been absolutely spot on so far. So I’m going to disappear. I’m going to begin your clip and have you in the bottom of the corner now. That’s what supposed to happen.

Krystyna 28:47

[clip] I feel fine. I am completely invisible. You will not be able to see me until I count to you again and have a five you’ll be wide awake but if I blow whistle you’ll go back to your seat. If I blow a whistle you will go back to your seat on the count of five. You will be wide awake 1, 2, 3, 4 5 wide awake. [Music 29:13 -30:10] Music makes it as well. I think when you’re doing this, you forget — when you move in the seats that they can’t see you as well. [Music]

Speaker 01 32:55

Yeah, it’s really good. What I like about it is what we seem to swap sides now it [laughter] I like the multi levels of it as well, you said, You’ve got the guy on the back. When I watched the clip earlier, I didn’t know that this trigger was the whistle. It took me a few minutes to realize what what was happening if you know what I mean.

Krystyna 33:16

He was just like the SAT before that — it was the hot seat. So I’ve removed that suggestion, but obviously I hadn’t removed for him. So again, that was a mistake, but it’s a funny mistake.

Speaker 01 33:31

You know, I’ve been doing it a while. And even now, you can make a double extra stringent effort to make sure the suggestion is completely removed. But sometimes people still miss hear it. And the suggestion — I was in a theater and I’d finished, I packed up, I was on my way to the car. And somebody was showing somebody something on the phone, a video and it was a video at the interval. So the music to make them come back and sit on the stage after the first half. They were playing that. And one of the people walked back through the theater and sat back on the stage. And I’m like, Oh no. So it happens. But yeah, Oh, what’s your favorite and least favorite part of your show?

Hypnotist Krystyna Lennon 34:23

That’s my favorite. The invisible is my favorite. I think I know once I get to that bit, I’m in safe territory. I know that everything’s going well. It’s good. And that is just — I mean, I’ve had people literally running off stage hiding in the audience, climbing on the seats, all sort of craziness. The only abreaction I’ve had to that was when I did the Britain’s Got Talent I was messing about because we’re backstage about an hour and I hypnotize somebody to do the invisible bit and it was like crying. But that was the only -I had to wake them up straight away. But yeah, so I think that all the stoned — I get them stoned on a carrot. That’s pretty funny as well, and my least favorite is always the count to 10. Because it’s just the hangover from when it went bad that time. I was like, Please count Myth number seven out. Well past that point, I kind of like, it’s a sigh of relief.

Speaker 01 35:26

Yeah. I think yes, it’s one of the only professions or kind of elements of performance where we don’t know until that lights up first or second test. And then you can go — I’ve got now I’m going to get paid now. It’s brilliant. Jason has asked us do you use music through all of your skits?

Krystyna 35:49

I use it through most. Obviously, there’s some stuff I’ve done that – I do like the Martian, I think some people like do Chinese people, what are you doing speaking Chinese or whatever. And I don’t use music in that. But if I can use music, it just adds that extra element — like that whole set, is I know exactly where I’m supposed to be for every little bit of it. So it’s just so carefully orchestrated. I know that when that music comes on, the exact second that I come in with that lighter, I know what do you mean, it’s the most confident I am on stage, I am a bit, because the music tells me what I’m doing, and like, when I do the stoned, obviously, I’ll use Bob Marley. And then I’ll wake them up. And I’ll say, in a minute, everyone in the audience is going to be a police officer. And then I’ll put like, the bad boys theme tunes, and the music gets a laugh as much as the actions

Speaker 01 36:50

It adds another element to it. I mean, a stage hypnotist, it’s easy to come and go, all I need is a microphone and a turn up and do my thing. The reality is if Pink, or I’m trying to think of another artists, Beyonce, if they need to have dancers back in tracks, lights, music and all that, well, then then I need that, because if they need it to be entertaining, and I’m not as entertaining as then that I need it as well. So I think music is a great way of creating that mood, and a lot of songs can become suggestions in and of themselves as well. 

Krystyna 37:30

Yeah, I have used smoke, I’ve used all sorts of different props, I used to do a bit where I’d get a guy and he’d be doing it like these makeup tutorials because I did [inaudible 37:43]. And he’d be doing a makeup tutorial. So I’ve got my makeup here, but I am using this color palette, and I’m going to be and it would be picking up my mascara and you’d be like, I think this is lipstick and [inaudible 38:01] like a bat group. It’s all the people in the beauty group would be like, What the fuck is going on, but I just need a bit of fun. And then I’d send the people to go watch him in the beauty group afterwards, Jeremy and I’d be like, he’s live in the beauty curve. And they’ll be like, oh, but I’ll be logging in and commenting. And all the people in the beauty group then we’ll be like, what the hell why people say and this is amazing when it’s terrible. It’s a man [inaudible 38:28] on his teeth or something.

Speaker 01 38:33

So what’s next for you? I know, you’ve got a book out. 

Krystyna 38:36

Yes, I have a book out. But what’s next for me? I’ve retired from stage hypnosis. So that’s it. I have done. I’ve done I’ve gotten a title. And I’m off. And so yeah, you can all flood in with your dogs, cats monkeys. Do what you like, I don’t care. Nobody will be sued. I mean, it was always about me working with people. That’s where my passion lies. It always has been, always will be. And yes, I’m not saying I’ll never do another show. And if some production company comes forward and offers me enough money, then I’ll be out of retirement, but it’s not. I’ve never ever, ever actively looked to go on a TV show. I’ve done 44 and they’ve always come to me, which when you’re on that foot and you can ask for more money. If you go to them, you’re not going to get paid.

Speaker 01 39:33

And I think there’s something about your mindset when when you chase the fame. When you’re contacting them, it comes across and your negotiation, your leverage just isn’t there. So a lot of the facts, you weren’t that bothered is probably what created that — leverage you needed.

Hypnotist Krystyna Lennon 39:53

Yeah, the first question is always How much is it and when is it and then they’ll go, oh, there isn’t a budget and I’ll go We’ll — I’m not coming then. And then you get silence for a few days, in which case most people are probably like, “actually, I’ll do it” and i don’t i don’t get back to them until they come back to me and go, Well, we’ve had a word and we could maybe give you and it is like, okay, but yeah. So shows don’t — Not really interested in doing shows very often. I’m more moving. Well, I have moved, I’m more corporate. So I work with teams and people to become the best version of themselves, which is what it’s always been about. And I also do — I’m a public speaker, but I’ll use hypnosis in that and I’ve done my award ceremonies where I’ll do a 20 minute hypnosis show or whatever within that.

Speaker 01 40:45

Did you hypnotize the Lord Mayor of Bradford?

Krystyna 40:48

Yeah, it was my first ever outing. And I couldn’t believe it when she got on stage. And it was so funny because she had the gold necklace thing. And as she was up there, I suddenly thought, I know I’m going to take it off of her and tell her that she like did something with it, or that she’d lost it. And I was about to do it. And I just run out of time. But then I was told afterwards, there was a guy that was there to protect this thing. They find of taking it off. [laughter] Red Spot just appearing on my head.

Speaker 01 41:28

Fantastic. So, I also asked everyone, it doesn’t have to be a hypnosis book, but true influential books about mindset helped you on your path to where you are now.

Krystyna 41:44

I think the very first is Psycho Cybernetics — I think we’ve got it here somewhere. It is the very first ever book on self image and mindset that was — Everything else was based upon that. The secret–  Anything that’s law of attraction, oh shrt, it’s just [inaudible 42:08] properly, it’s just when opportunity meets preparation. That’s the last attraction. The psycho cybernetics is the very, very first book, it’s really old. And it’s quite difficult to get hold of, but you can’t get it free on YouTube. Because it’s so old. It’s no longer got the copyright laws. And the second book is probably Stephen Covey’s Seven Habits. I think those two books really made a difference to me. I’ve read a lot of books. I’ve never read any on stage hypnosis. 

Speaker 01 42:52

There’s a lot of — and when I was encouraged people don’t necessarily read your hypnosis books, go get some sales books, because a lot of the techniques that you’ll be using in language patterns, there’s a lot more money going into the development of sales language patterns, which can then be tweaked a little bit and will have a therapeutic approach to them. And for those that are watching this on YouTube, there will be an Amazon affiliate link down below to those books. 

Krystyna 43:23

I mean, that’s two of my clients. Today, we’re about constructing a sales call. It was like, the language they use and everything else because, it’s getting compliance from your client and everything. And that’s, I do a lot of work with salespeople or people — I’m programming mindsets and habits of success.

Speaker 01 43:46

Yeah. And it’s about that, especially with — if you’re cold calling that constant rejection, and keeping those energy levels, the same on call one, as call 100. I’m sure you do as well that whole money doesn’t motivate people. It’s a small element of it. But there’s so much more of the psychology behind it, who we see as ourselves that pushed more through that. So yeah. Fantastic. Well, Krystyna, thank you very much for coming. Thank you very much for turning up as well. Yeah, it’s been absolutely fantastic. And obviously you and David again soon as well.

Hypnotist Krystyna Lennon 44:27

Thank you. 

Speaker 01 44:28

Cheers. Thank you very much.